Curse

October Jade · May 29, 2007, 04:22 PM // 16:22

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

Why would you even bother with such missions which pose a threat to a title like that. Just farm for it until it's maxed and you can die all you want.

Perhaps there are people who prefer to play through the storyline as intended. It sounds absurd and radical, I know, but some of us live on the edge.

DreamCatcher · May 31, 2007, 05:39 PM // 17:39

I've been able to reproduce this, I entered with my former surviver and after a few tries (with /death-ing regularly to check I was still at 1 death) made it to the last cutscene and after purposefully not skipping it and arriving at Dragon's Throat sure enough, Im at 2 deaths now!

This time it wasn't the MM as he had just 2 or 3 minions this time which started bashing Koss. I suggest anyone to try Vizunah Square and see if not skipping the cutscene counts as a death, it did with me 2 out of 2 times.

stevedallas · Jun 23, 2007, 04:41 AM // 04:41

i have seen a number of people lose out on survivor when they were real close to earning it due to scripted death scene in vizunah.

yes, the first one or two of these were caused by rampaging minions however, once we noticed that happening, we stopped using MM's for the mission entirely.

personally, i dont much care for the survivor title and have never bothered pursuing it myself. i enjoy a good aggro too much so, please dont accuse me of whining. i'm just posting my observation of this under circumstances that remove rampaging minions from the picture and match the criteria for the scripted death to not count.

out of curiosity, what would aNet do for players who were hit by this if a bug is identified?

Government Flu · Jun 23, 2007, 08:47 AM // 08:47

To the original poster of this thread:

First off, take note of my survivor attempts:

Factions Necromancer 1: Died after Anet disconnected. I logged back in and had a death. (No ranking.)

Factions Ranger 1: Died en route to solo Galrath. I admit I was a little too confident. (Survivor 1.)

Factions Necromancer 2: Died at the very last part of Aborstone. (Survivor 1, at least 330k XP.)

Factions Monk 1: Currently Rank 2 survivor, no plans on using him to further the title at this time.

Prophs Warrior 1: Survivor rank 1, never died but deleted due to no interest in using him further.

Factions Assassin 1: Got survivor, even after doing deadly Kyrta Sunspear quest. Accidental. Deleted and replaced with someone I purposely killed at level 1.

So as you can see, this takes practice.

Now...note that this fully applies if you created a factions character: There is no excuse for you being level 19 upon entering the Viz Square Mission. In fact, you should've been doing a victory lap of sorts around the marketplace if you had gotten to the mainland without dying because after you beat the second mission in Factions, it's outstandingly easy to get Survivor.

Now, if your goal is to get survivor and only the first rank of survivor, take the following into consideration: Beat the game you're trying to get the title in. You can't expect many surprises or you'll end up dying, so you should know the game (Factions, Prophs, NF) well before attempting this challenge.

Next up, regardless of the game you start in, you have to make sure you know how to use the profession you're attempting survivor in. A monk might seem like a brilliant choice, but if you don't know how to use the class skills, you'll end up being torn apart. Remember: even a frontline warrior can become a survivor and beyond!

And as for the safest way to get Survivor Rank 1? Do all of the quests in the area. Experience is your friend. Tread carefully and do every quest you can. This is especially important if your character has started out in Prophs, because every additional level will give you an impressive edge.

Also, don't bother getting heroes until you're level 20 and have max armor unless you're absolutely confident in how to deal with the Sunspears in Kryta/Cantha quests.

Now, the next time you try for survivor, don't only get a great weapon and armor, get to level 20 when you reach the mainland. It's easy once you arrive at the marketplace.

Also, skip every cinematic. It doesn't matter whether it's a quick clip of Master Togo taking a crap or Menhlo out smoking a cig or an entire army of minions joyfully harrassing everyone in sight. Just skip it. This helps you avoid any conflict and keeps you on edge.

So happy hunting and good luck!

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My advice is that you play with only heroes and henchmen, and if possible enter the mission at an unusual time of day for your continent.

I second that idea. It has served me well, though I have only one indomitable survivor at the moment rather than 3 legendary. :P

Vamis Threen · Jun 23, 2007, 10:53 AM // 10:53

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Originally Posted by WoodyDotNet

While working on my Survivor, I've gone with Heroes and henchies almost exclusively, with the exception of a couple of runs due to the missions being high risk. PuGs are too unpredictable and if I have to do a quick exit, I'm not screwing over anyone.

True. What were you doing in a PUG anyway? Survivors in PUGs give us a bad name ie "leaver".

If you want to take a Canthan character to legendary survivor (and I can see why this is attractive as the early quest rewards give the highest XP), leave after you reach the mainland and go through Prophecies (it's safer) or Nightfall (it's faster- xp rewards for quests after consulate docks are 2500 or more).

Vizunah Square? No matter what assurances you think you have, avoid.

DreamCatcher · Jun 23, 2007, 09:43 PM // 21:43

Thx for replying Vamis and Government

I was pugging simply because I like pugging. I've been pugging and forming pug teams for as long as I play gw (over 2 years

) and I can smell a bad team 20 kilometers away

I made it through the cantha starter island pugging all the way for 3 or 4 times now without dying once and only once had a close call in the very last mission at the end. Having something like 400+hp and +-11 communing at level 13 or so realy helps

I would've made it to tier 1 easilly if I hadn't died, just like I though I could. I already had hero's but they weren't maximized yet yet still proved very effective. I love maxing limited stuff, it's why I love low level arenas, why I love pre searing and possibly why I love pugging when at low level. At level 20 everything's standard in a way.

Government Flu, I will keep your advice in mind

I hadn't expected anyone replying anymore but since you 2 did I'll tell what happened next. I pugged vizunah square 2 more times after I ahd died. The 2nd time we made it through again and while still at level 19 after the final cutscene I had 2 death. The exact same thing happened again except for the fact that we had far fewer minions and none were attacking me.
The 3rd and final time I levelled to 20 during the mission and saw through teh final cutscene once more. This time I hadn't died, still had 2 deaths.

I deceded to reroll her, only to die again at level 13. I could've pressed the allmighty ''x'' but for some reason I didn't. Vizunah seems to have killed my motivation for making a surviver alltogether. Atleast it has for now. I realy don't want to go through the starter island again seeing as this is pure grind. I never found the starter island particularly hard, just somewhat exiting.

I will try again at some point, possibly with a mesmer and most likely not a canthan mesmer :P

Thx for the replies'and feedback i've been given in this thread, it's helped clear up many loose ends for me

I realy hope this bug gets fixed soon. For now I'll spend my time in hardmode and farming the charr salvage kits

drago34 · Jun 24, 2007, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Bumped again?

brian78wa · Jun 24, 2007, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher

Thx for the quick reply Gaile

I know you can't replay what had happened during my Vizunah Square trip.
Im absolutely positive that the only time my character lay dead on the floor was in the beginning of the last cutscene (when shiro is visible), which was the scripted death, and also that the rogue minions didn't kill me nor anyone else.

Btw Kool Pajamas, I just went to the temple of balthasar...seems You're right, I could've ascended and changed my secondary there.
Shame I didn't know that beforehand but still that would've locked my surviver out of most of the factions content which (with skill capping in mind, and having the fun of playing through the campaign) isn't desirable.

Um I dont get the part about locked out. I have 3 canthan born survivors and im locked out of nothing. Please explain.

NeHoMaR · Jun 24, 2007, 05:27 AM // 05:27

As far as I know, Vizunah Square dead at the end cutscene, is a false dead; So, don't count as real dead. It's like when you die in the sulfuric thing. Also, minions DON'T kill anything in a cutscene.

Are you sure you don't died one time before that cutscene?

Firebaall · Jun 24, 2007, 05:41 AM // 05:41

I don't know if this will help anybody, but it might help narrow down what or where you're looking.

Last weekend I got Legendary Survivor on my Warrior. I avoided Vizunah Square like the plague, until I achieved level 3 of the title. Due to the many people that have posted here, saying how it caused them the title loss.

I finally said that I will give this a go. I was also watching like a hawk on my "/deaths" many times thoughout the mission. Sure as heck. 1 death.

Now, this didn't happen at the end cutscene where everybody is saying. It was just after the mid cutscene. We had two MM in the party, but I don't know if that is a cause, or coincidence.

I guess I was lucky to avoid it, but I can at least confirm it. DreamCatcher, it sucks, but reroll it's worth it! I did once after losing my first attempt less than 5000 exp away (from level 1, that is). Man was I mad.

drago34 · Jun 24, 2007, 06:34 AM // 06:34

Why not just avoid the mission if you are going for the survival title...

Shimon · Jun 24, 2007, 06:52 AM // 06:52

I've been trying to get the third rank of Survivor, and have rerolled 14 times. However, those 14 times I have not died from a Vizunah Square mission.

What I do is solo this mission so that I'll be able to keep survivor. Otherwise, if I get a player in the other mission I ask them if they can skip the cutscene. When the final cutscene appears, I hit the skip button, and then exit out of the application and try to relog in giving me a slim chance if that other player goes through the cutscene that my character might've logged out.

If Togo or Mentos dies, the mission fails but doesn't add to your deaths... at least when that happened to me..

Kashrlyyk · Jun 24, 2007, 11:27 AM // 11:27

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

after you finish the starter island you can leave and go to either la or kamadan (where you can get heros).
You can change 2ndary professions in either the command post or the desert as well.
My still running survivor as skipped out of factions until they fix that bug....she's working towards the desert now.

If my factions character tries to change secondary profession in Nightfalls she gets told, that she needs to either ascend or get closer to the stars. So you have to finish Nahpui Quarters before you can change profession in the other campaigns.

william1975 · Jun 24, 2007, 01:18 PM // 13:18

Read this with much interest, I read in one of the update notes a whiel back that the death caused by the cutscene at the end of this mission was meant to have been fixed,

I have one legendary survivor and due to it being a ritualist I wanted to get decent elites. Without doing Viz Square this is practically impossible, as to proceed through the game its necessarry to do the missions, otherwise areas are locked from entry.

I achieved Survivor before entering Viz and I also went to Elona and got the heroes, including Olias and Zenami, this was back n march before the updates to their quests, I then leveld all the heroes i had, equipped them with the optimum equipment, and went through elona up to Ruins of morah and Tyria up to Droks, then i went back to Viz square and went through it with mm and skipped the last scene with no deaths, getting legendary i needed to then do cantha up to rizu palace, elona i did ruins of morah and captured all the ritualist elites i could,

Its necessary to do these missions to get quick xp, its necessary to do them alone or with a trusted companion, however something needs to be done about deaths in cutscense from any source, maybe if the minions do cause them in this final one then they should also be killed in the scene to prevent an accidental death

Servant of Kali · Jun 24, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher

I did ask for everyone to skip and also said at the beginning of the mission that I was going for surviver.

You should NEVER EVER play with other people if you're going for survivor. Not because of yourself, but because of them. Survivors HURT the team! Because of the selfish need to stay alive, you can't sacrifice for the team when needed, you can't risk faster mission completion when needed because you need to be very careful, and most of the times i see survivors they stay far back and contribute much less than those who dont go for survivors. Take into account that PUGs in general don't contribute much (unlike Heroes and Henchies) and there you go.

Toxic J · Jun 24, 2007, 06:04 PM // 18:04

Too bad about your survivor char, I know how you feel... Today I lost my survivor at 1.13 million exp due to getting dc'ed from the game and when I logged back on I had died...

I was so close to legendary survivor and had most missions mastered in Cantha and Elona. It sucks when it's not your fault. But yeah, good luck if you're trying again.

Voltar · Jun 25, 2007, 05:38 AM // 05:38

yeah, i took a couple survivor attempts through there (with my own hero mm's) without it counting. i'm guessing that either people are using alt-f4 instead of the more reliable f12 enter to bail and not checking their deaths or more likely there's some odd nuance that's making that mission count a death (even if you don't see someone die in the cutscene, after the cutscene the damage they take takes affect).

and a few pointers on survivor: if you're going for the max title, don't rush it. you're going to find yourself at the second title wondering what to do to make the next 800k xp. capturing elites gets expensive really quickly (especially when you're only 1 death away from deleting and rerolling). with the exception of the cap sig quest, i can't get into questing...but i did almost all of them along the way...i think my survivor was 20 by the time i got to maguma.

if you have a lot of skills unlocked on different professions (and know how to use the ai quirks to your advantage), use heroes and hench. some people consider it bad form to run a survivor in a pug (with the chance of bailing on the group). the ai in the game is generally smarter than the average pug-member anyway.

lastly, play the profession you know. i tried a couple of monks first before i just decided that i should make a ranger. things were way easier from that point on.

Ninjitsukitsune · Jun 25, 2007, 05:48 AM // 05:48

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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher

Like it is now it's simply impossible to change secondaries on any canthan born surviver which is kinda frustrating*

you said earlier you did missions in prophecies? a canthan and elona born char that ascends in prophecies can change seconds right then and there... I have a survivor sin, before I did vizunah square I had tier 2 survivor... you can change seconds after proph ascension, plus proph ascension gets you an extra 10,000 exp

all my chars are survivor (except really old ones) survivor is pretty easy with henchies and with heroes its even easier. if you fear cinematics deaths, dont play with real people then you can leave whenever you want and wont piss anyone off...

Government Flu · Jun 25, 2007, 09:24 AM // 09:24

I don't think that's true, at least not in my case. My assassin got to the mainland on Elona before finishing the Closer to the Stars mission. He set up the command post and went as far as the mission where you have to kill the drought, yet I couldn't change my secondary profession until I went back to Factions.

Oh, and by the way Dream. If you plan on using a mesmer for a survivor project, be extra careful because mesmers are weak in the beginning of the game. Especially their self heal which has a long recharge time and cast time compared to other classes.

DreamCatcher · Jun 25, 2007, 12:16 PM // 12:16

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Originally Posted by Servant of Kali

You should NEVER EVER play with other people if you're going for survivor. Not because of yourself, but because of them. Survivors HURT the team! Because of the selfish need to stay alive, you can't sacrifice for the team when needed, you can't risk faster mission completion when needed because you need to be very careful, and most of the times i see survivors they stay far back and contribute much less than those who dont go for survivors. Take into account that PUGs in general don't contribute much (unlike Heroes and Henchies) and there you go.

You're kinda right about survivers not being as much use to a party as a nonsurviver. Thats 1 of the reasons I took made a rit, It's almost my job to stay in the backlines.
Only my last death was during a mission (sanctum cay), my other deaths were from the vizunah bug or becasue of eh...noob mistakes (hey I'm only human :P )

My best profession is ranger, thats why I have so many of them! Don't know if I want another one but it's a logical choice. If I decide on making a mesmer I'd be happy at tier 1.